But when I was growing up, that was the case. GUTOWITZ: I think so much of lesbianism is yearning for another person in a way that you can't necessarily say out loud. You recently released your first memoir called "Girls Can Kiss Now." In it you write, "All of the wistfulness of staring out of a car window, that yearning for something, anything to whisk you away from your sad, dull life, that's lesbianism." Why is that lesbianism? So Jill, what runs through your head when I say, "All the things she said running through my head?" This interview has been edited for length and clarity. It's Been A Minute senior producer Barton Girdwood talked this out with author Jill Gutowitz ( Girls Can Kiss Now) and journalist Daisy Jones ( All The Things She Said). But despite roleplaying as lesbians for their own success, is there something redeemable in how they represented lesbianism at a time when no one else would put two women kissing on camera? And if so, what does that representation say about what it meant to be a lesbian in 2002 versus in 2022? During performances, they made a point to do as they did in their video and make out.įrom Harry Styles to Katy Perry, debates over queerbaiting have raged online, and t.A.T.u.'s "All The Things She Said" fits squarely in that lineage. It topped the charts in 13 countries, and in the United States the duo would perform the song over and over on live television. That did not stop the song from becoming a global sensation. The video was banned from UK television for being "not really suitable for children." released their smash single "All The Things She Said." The song is a grungy euro-dance track, and the video features the lead singers Lena Katina and Julia Volkova dressed in schoolgirl uniforms and making out in the rain. In September 2002, the Russian pop duo t.A.T.u. In your defense, it's impossible to separate the two. When you come across the words "All The Things She Said," what runs through your head? The catchy smash single from 2002 - or the lead singers infamously kissing? performs on stage at the 2003 MTV Movie Awards held at the Shrine Auditorium on in Los Angeles, California. They later linked up to dance along to the Pink Pantheress collaboration "Boy's a Liar Pt. No one's always gonna agree and you just have to do the best that you can as a parent and try to protect your kids, but also let them be creative."įor what it's worth, Ice Spice was impressed by North West's creativity when she shared a video showing her sketching the Bronx rapper. But in the creative side where she loves making slime videos and doing her little hair tutorials, I will fight for her to be creative in those ways. "And maybe he was, you know? In that instance. "I saw on the Internet, it's like, 'Kanye was right,'" she continued. Around the same time, he told Jason Lee of Hollywood Unlocked that he didn't want to see his daughter "wearing lipstick on TikTok." "What I should do about my daughter being put on against my will?” he wrote in a since-deleted post. Last year, Kanye made it known he wasn't happy about his daughter sharing videos on TikToks without his approval. So, I think that's the trial and error sometimes." We're taking this down.' She totally understood. "As soon as I saw the words and everything, I was like, 'Oh, no no. She notes she was "out of town" and her Nanny allowed the TikToks to be posted. "The Ice Spice videos, she said, 'Mommy, can I post this?'" Kim said. Kanye West was famously not a fan of North West being on TikTok at all, let alone dancing to Ice Spice's often sexually-charged music. I think it's always tough when you're co-parenting and someone wants something and someone doesn't." So that all came through North and what she liked. I then had the idea to put in a Skims campaign. And I was like, this is the moment when I feel really old and my daughter is now teaching me what's cool. "Every day, the kids get to switch of whose music they want to plug in and listen to on the way to school and North was listening to Ice Spice," said Kim in a new interview with Time magazine focusing on her shapewear brand, Skims. Kim Kardashian regrets letting her daughter North West post that TikTok video where she dressed up as rapper Ice Spice.
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